Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

05/01/2005 01:00 PM Senate FINANCE


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+ SB 24 REEMPLOYMENT OF RETIREES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= SB 156 LAYOFF/NONRETENTION OF TEACHERS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 156 Out of Committee
+= HB 182 WAGE & HOUR ACT: EXEC/PROF/ADMIN/SALES/DP TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 182(FIN)(efdf) Out Committee
+= HB 91 INDECENT EXPOSURE TO MINORS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 119 AK REGIONAL ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 136 DRUNK DRIVING TREATMENT PROGRAM TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 135 ASSAULT & CUSTODIAL INTERFERENCE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 135(JUD) Out of Committee
+= SB 108 INSURANCE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 121 STATE OF AK CAPITAL CORP.; BONDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 122 AMERADA HESS INCOME; CAPITAL INCOME ACCT. TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 35 EXTEND BD ARCHITECTS/ENGINEERS/SURVEYORS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 75 HUNTING, FISHING, TRAPPING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 132 CRIMES AGAINST ELDERLY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 156 COMMISSION ON AGING TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ HB 230 LOANS FOR COMMERCIAL FISHING TENDERS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= SB 46 APPROP: CAPITAL BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= HB 19 PESTICIDE & BROADCAST CHEMICALS
Heard & Held
= HB 15 LIQUOR LICENSES: OUTDOOR REC. LODGE/BARS
Heard & Held
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 121                                                                                                        
     "An Act establishing  the State of Alaska Capital  Corporation;                                                            
     authorizing  the  issuance  of bonds  by  the State  of  Alaska                                                            
     Capital  Corporation  to finance  capital  improvements in  the                                                            
     state; and providing for an effective date."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 122                                                                                                        
     "An Act establishing  the Alaska capital income  account within                                                            
     the  Alaska  permanent  fund;  relating  to deposits  into  the                                                            
     account;  relating to certain  transfers regarding the  Amerada                                                            
     Hess  settlement  to offset  the effects  of  inflation on  the                                                            
     Alaska  permanent fund; and providing  for an effective  date."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first hearing  for these bills  in the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHERYL FRASCA, Director,  Office of Management and Budget, Office of                                                            
the Governor,  informed the Committee  that these bills contain  the                                                            
Governor's  proposal pertaining to  funding provided by the  lawsuit                                                            
that the State  brought in the 1970s against oil companies  over the                                                            
valuation  of  the  State's  royalty  oil  and  gas.  The  case  was                                                            
eventually  settled in  the mid  1990's. During  the 15-year  appeal                                                            
process,  the oil companies  asked  the federal  courts to move  the                                                            
case outside of  Alaska. The argument was that because  all Alaskans                                                            
are  potential  jurors, they  would  be biased  because  they  would                                                            
potentially  benefit  from the  proceeds  going into  the  Permanent                                                            
Fund. The federal  court asked the Alaska Legislature  to attempt to                                                            
resolve this issue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Frasca continued  that  two separate  Legislative  pieces,  one                                                            
under the  Governor Steve  Cowper Administration  and one under  the                                                            
Governor Walter  Hickel Administration,  were passed to address  the                                                            
concern. One prevented  the interest earnings from  the Amerada Hess                                                            
settlement  from counting  toward the calculation  of the  Permanent                                                            
Fund Dividend  (PFD).  That effort  served to  remove the  potential                                                            
bias, and the lawsuit was ultimately settled out of Court.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Frasca stated  that the money from the settlement  was deposited                                                            
into the Permanent Fund,  and its balance, as of the end of FY 2004,                                                            
amounted to  approximately $424,000,000.  The proposal contained  in                                                            
SB 122-AMERADA HESS INCOME;  CAPITAL INCOME ACCT. would establish an                                                            
income  account  and the  proposal  in SB  121-STATE  OF AK  CAPITAL                                                            
CORP.;   BONDS  would   establish   a  corporation   through   which                                                            
$30,000,000 in annual earnings  would be leveraged to issue bonds to                                                            
fund State  capital  projects. The  capital projects  that would  be                                                            
funded  by the Capital  Corporation  bond revenue  were included  as                                                            
such in the  capital budget the Murkowski  Administration  presented                                                            
in December 2004.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Frasca noted that Deven  Mitchell with the Department of Revenue                                                            
would be presenting  information pertinent to SB 121,  regarding the                                                            
Capital Corporation structure.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:04:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEVEN  MITCHELL,  Debt Manager,  Treasury  Division,  Department  of                                                            
Revenue,  expressed  that  tremendous  work has  been  conducted  in                                                            
regards  to  the  structure  of  the  Alaska  Capital  Corporation;                                                             
specifically in consideration  that it's structure should not impact                                                            
the  State's credit  rating.  The process  would  first involve  the                                                            
establishment of the Alaska  Capital Income Account, as specified in                                                            
SB 122,  as a  subaccount  of the  Permanent Fund  Earnings  Reserve                                                            
Account  (ERA). "The  money doesn't  flow  to the  general fund  and                                                            
therefore  it can  be construed  as  being self-supporting  and  not                                                            
included  in the  State's net  tax supported  debt.  This is a  very                                                            
important feature of the proposal."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  stated that,  "money  in the  Alaska  Capital  Income                                                            
Account would  then be  available for annual  appropriation  for any                                                            
legitimate  purpose  including   to  the  State  of  Alaska  Capital                                                            
Corporation".  The Alaska Capital Corporation would  be a new public                                                            
corporation created in  the Department of Revenue. The Corporation's                                                            
Board would include  the State Bond Committee supported  by existing                                                            
Department  of Revenue  staff.  "The Corporation  would  be able  to                                                            
enter  into operating  leases  that  would  provide for  the  annual                                                            
transfer  of   money  from  the  Capital   Income  Account   to  the                                                            
Corporation,  subject to annual appropriation."  The bond  structure                                                            
being proposed  is a flexible  amortization-type  of bond  issuance,                                                            
often referred to as a  "turbo" structure. It would require interest                                                            
only payments  for up  to a 40-year  schedule  with a final  balloon                                                            
payment at  the end. This structure  would also allow for  "a paying                                                            
down  of  principal  in  the  short  years   as  you  had  principal                                                            
available".  It  would  allow  for volatility  in  the  market.  The                                                            
historical  realized  return of  the Permanent  Fund  over the  past                                                            
twenty  years has  been 8.94 percent;  the current  realized  return                                                            
assumption  is 7.04 percent.  Were a 7.04  percent return  realized,                                                            
approximately  $29,800,0000   a  year  would  be  generated  by  the                                                            
settlement  funds.  That  "anticipated   revenue  stream"  could  be                                                            
leveraged  over  17 years  to obtain  the  $340 million  in  capital                                                            
projects being proposed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  qualified  however, that  it would  be unrealistic  to                                                            
anticipate  "a  flat  7.04 percent  return  a  year".  Returns  have                                                            
fluctuated from  a low of 1.15 percent to "double-digit  percents in                                                            
other years";  thus the need  to address  the volatility issue.  The                                                            
proposed turbo  structure concept has been deemed  acceptable by the                                                            
State's   credit  agencies.   It  has  also   been  discussed   with                                                            
underwriters,  and while  the various underwriters  "have  different                                                            
ideas on how the  actual implementation of the program  might occur,                                                            
there seems to  be a consensus that there are means  of dealing with                                                            
the revenue  stream, the  volatile revenue  stream, insuring  a high                                                            
probability of ability  to pay". He noted that "one important credit                                                            
feature"  of this proposal  is that  the Corporation  would have  "a                                                            
moral obligation  on a reserve  fund". A  "moral obligation  is that                                                            
there would be a reserve requirement…"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  stated  that one  component  of the tax  code "is  the                                                            
maximum  annual  service,  and, if  there  is ever  a  draw on  that                                                            
reserve   fund,  then   the  Board   is  charged   with   requesting                                                            
replenishment  from  the  Legislature".   The  State  currently  has                                                            
approximately  $1.1 billion  in outstanding  bonds that have  such a                                                            
moral  obligation  associated   with  them.  This  in  effect  would                                                            
establish "a  floor" in regards to  the bond issuance. He  explained                                                            
how the  State's investment  grade credit  rating could be  affected                                                            
were bonds sold without such a floor.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:11:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Frasca informed the  Committee that further information could be                                                            
found  in the  Office  of Management  and  Budget  background  paper                                                            
titled  "Use  of  the  Amerada  Hess  Settlement   to  Fund  Capital                                                            
Projects"  [copy   on  file]  included  in  Members'   packets.  The                                                            
schematics  of the  two  proposals  are located  on  page seven  and                                                            
eight.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:11:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked whether  it would be possible "to issue too many                                                            
bonds and overload the system".                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell responded  that  regardless  of whether  the  question                                                            
pertained  to the State's  overall bonding  or specifically  to this                                                            
proposal, the  answer would be "yes". To that point,  the Department                                                            
of Revenue "has  a strong desire to maintain the State's"  AA credit                                                            
rating. In order  to maintain that credit rating "outside  analysts"                                                            
are utilized  to review  the State's  action on  a continual  basis.                                                            
While  some states'  debt  management department  might  be able  to                                                            
develop "a  debt capacity based on  projected revenues for  the next                                                            
twenty  years", such  action would  be impossible  in Alaska  as the                                                            
State's primary  source of  revenue is extremely  volatile.  This is                                                            
the  reason  for requiring  large  reserves  in  such funds  as  the                                                            
Constitutional  Budget   Reserve.  Therefore,  in  response  to  the                                                            
question as  to whether there would  be a limitation on the  State's                                                            
ability  to leverage,  this proposal  would be  recognized as  being                                                            
sustainable. It  could survive a very negative earnings  scenario or                                                            
cash flow scenario.  On a broader scope, it would  provide the State                                                            
money that would not impact the State's credit rating.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:13:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  voiced being "surprised"  that on the 111th  day of                                                            
the  Legislative  Session,  even though  it  has been  discussed  by                                                            
Legislators and  the Administration, the status of  this legislation                                                            
is as it was on the first  day of the Session. While he has no issue                                                            
with utilizing  Amerada Hess earnings,  he does have a problem  with                                                            
"the complicated  system"  being proposed.  He  would support  using                                                            
Amerada Hess  earnings for the debt  retirement account as  it would                                                            
provide   approximately   $30,000,000   to   support   this   year's                                                            
$140,000,000  debt to fund schools,  harbors, and other needs.  That                                                            
action would be "perfectly defensible".                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken deemed the  activities associated  with the  Alaska                                                            
Corporation Income Account  and the Capital Corporation, as depicted                                                            
on the aforementioned schematics,  as being "unnecessary". A simpler                                                            
solution would be to move  the money from the Amerada Hess Fund into                                                            
the Debt Retirement Fund.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  shared  his  objection  to some  of  the  projects                                                            
proposed to be funded in  this manner, because doing so would amount                                                            
to committing "15-year  money" to fund three-year projects. While he                                                            
voiced  support for  the array  of projects,  funding  them in  this                                                            
manner  would not  be  considered "good  fiscal  management".  Other                                                            
funding sources are available.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:16:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  continued   that   he  could   not  support   the                                                            
establishment  of a new  bureaucracy through  which to fund  capital                                                            
projects,  as it  would not  be necessary.  The  Amerada Hess  money                                                            
could be  deposited into  an account that  is currently utilized  to                                                            
fund bonds.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:16:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Frasca  appreciated  Co-Chair  Wilken's comments.  She  reminded                                                            
that  the  Administration  had  provided   its  budget  proposal  in                                                            
December  2004 and that  work on it  had begun  as early as  October                                                            
2004.  The options  through which  to fund the  infrastructure  were                                                            
uncertain at that  time. She recognized that "shifting"  the Amerada                                                            
Hess funding  to the Debt  Retirement Fund  was an option;  however,                                                            
that Fund would  be utilized to fund  prior years' obligations.  The                                                            
desire  with this  legislation  was to  finance and  develop  future                                                            
infrastructure needs. "We  share the same goals in terms of where we                                                            
want to  go, and the  question is  how best to  finance it."  At the                                                            
time the budget  was being developed,  this was considered  the best                                                            
option as  it met the criteria  and did  not jeopardize the  State's                                                            
credit rating. It is still considered "a good mechanism".                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:18:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  stated that the question is how to  best balance the                                                            
funds that are available.  There is a "different feel to this year's                                                            
budget" than  in previous years, because,  other than Department  of                                                            
Transportation  and Public Facilities  transportation and  federally                                                            
funded projects,  the amount of capital budget projects  was held to                                                            
a minimum. There are numerous  funds out there and efforts should be                                                            
exerted  to  reach  a  balance  in  utilizing  the  funds  that  are                                                            
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green voiced  appreciation  for the  information that  has                                                            
been provided.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  voiced that he holds a similar position  to that of                                                            
Co-Chair Wilken.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The bills were HELD in Committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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